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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 21:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob -- I think you&#039;re right in viewing respect for people as a system. Increasingly, I realize that all of lean is an integrated whole, and that if you only cherry pick the things that strike your fancy, you&#039;ll fail. Tools without respect leads to unsustainable improvements. Respect without tools leads to feel-good mediocrity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob &#8212; I think you&#8217;re right in viewing respect for people as a system. Increasingly, I realize that all of lean is an integrated whole, and that if you only cherry pick the things that strike your fancy, you&#8217;ll fail. Tools without respect leads to unsustainable improvements. Respect without tools leads to feel-good mediocrity.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 19:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The notion of “Respect for Others” must be examined as a system; a system that encourages shared understanding between people and the work they do. It’s only once this understanding is attained that a process can perform optimally by ensuring that people are motivated to identify and eradicate waste via active participation in problem solving. I believe that most people eventually “get” the hard side of Lean, the tools and techniques, realising some improvements in quality, cost reduction and delivery times. However, it’s Toyota’s human system that is simply too complex and demanding for most, making it challenging to duplicate during the transformation towards a total Lean system. It’s a really deep understanding of the softer side that fosters the participation of people and as such it’s equally, if not more, important that using the tools.

So, why is this softer side so difficult to comprehend? I believe there are clues in the work of Edgar Schein, who is a former professor at MIT’s Sloan School of Management. In his book: Organizational Culture and Leadership, he described an inverted pyramid model of organisational culture. This model splits organisational culture into three levels, from what is visible and obvious at the top, such as buildings, how people dress, the furniture, or what an insider can talk to you about (company philosophy, slogans, etc.) all the way through to the invisible and difficult to discern at the bottom, for example unconscious beliefs and attitudes. In some ways this model is similar to an iceberg with the biggest portion remaining unseen.

It’s these invisible aspects which give rise to the difficulties that insiders have in articulating the important facets of what constitutes a culture. This is confirmed by a quote from the book, Toyota Culture by Jeff Liker and Mike Hoseus, who cite Pete Gritton, the then vice president of Human Resources for Toyota North America:

“Culture is the way we automatically think and act every day. … This culture has become second nature to those of us who have spent decades with Toyota, but it is a mystery to most outsiders. We frankly are not even all that good at explaining it to others who have not lived it.”

So, it&#039;s little wonder that Respect for People is so tough to appreciate and then subsequently apply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The notion of “Respect for Others” must be examined as a system; a system that encourages shared understanding between people and the work they do. It’s only once this understanding is attained that a process can perform optimally by ensuring that people are motivated to identify and eradicate waste via active participation in problem solving. I believe that most people eventually “get” the hard side of Lean, the tools and techniques, realising some improvements in quality, cost reduction and delivery times. However, it’s Toyota’s human system that is simply too complex and demanding for most, making it challenging to duplicate during the transformation towards a total Lean system. It’s a really deep understanding of the softer side that fosters the participation of people and as such it’s equally, if not more, important that using the tools.</p>
<p>So, why is this softer side so difficult to comprehend? I believe there are clues in the work of Edgar Schein, who is a former professor at MIT’s Sloan School of Management. In his book: Organizational Culture and Leadership, he described an inverted pyramid model of organisational culture. This model splits organisational culture into three levels, from what is visible and obvious at the top, such as buildings, how people dress, the furniture, or what an insider can talk to you about (company philosophy, slogans, etc.) all the way through to the invisible and difficult to discern at the bottom, for example unconscious beliefs and attitudes. In some ways this model is similar to an iceberg with the biggest portion remaining unseen.</p>
<p>It’s these invisible aspects which give rise to the difficulties that insiders have in articulating the important facets of what constitutes a culture. This is confirmed by a quote from the book, Toyota Culture by Jeff Liker and Mike Hoseus, who cite Pete Gritton, the then vice president of Human Resources for Toyota North America:</p>
<p>“Culture is the way we automatically think and act every day. … This culture has become second nature to those of us who have spent decades with Toyota, but it is a mystery to most outsiders. We frankly are not even all that good at explaining it to others who have not lived it.”</p>
<p>So, it&#8217;s little wonder that Respect for People is so tough to appreciate and then subsequently apply.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 23:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point taken, Jon. Thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: Jon Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 22:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you proved my point. Month end closing and reviews are tasks, not true management responsibilities. Knowledge workers, managers and creative types would probably say they add value via conceptual content rather than working the process. 

Successful management involves simplification to the point of working oneself out of that particular job, so that a subordinate can take over. That can put a manager in the more challenging state of either finding more value-added work or risking being seen as deadwood. Not an easy position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you proved my point. Month end closing and reviews are tasks, not true management responsibilities. Knowledge workers, managers and creative types would probably say they add value via conceptual content rather than working the process. </p>
<p>Successful management involves simplification to the point of working oneself out of that particular job, so that a subordinate can take over. That can put a manager in the more challenging state of either finding more value-added work or risking being seen as deadwood. Not an easy position.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>https://timebackmanagement.com/blog/respect-for-people-shingo-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-1842</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon! Your comment -- as always -- screws up my day&#039;s schedule, because I have to sit down for awhile and think of an intelligent response....

I&#039;m going to push back, though, and argue that we can still applies Shingo&#039;s thinking to managerial work. For example, we can make the process of closing the monthly books or doing performance reviews easier without compromising the integrity/quality of the work itself. 

You&#039;re absolutely right in saying that &quot;taking on what&#039;s hard makes a knowledge worker successful.&quot; But we need to distinguish between something that&#039;s intrinsically difficult intellectually (splitting the atom, developing new coaching techniques, designing a new compensation structure), and something that&#039;s difficult because it&#039;s embedded in a busted process. 

I think Shingo would say that making things easier is about the process, not the conceptual content -- and in that regard, his argument does apply to knowledge workers as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon! Your comment &#8212; as always &#8212; screws up my day&#8217;s schedule, because I have to sit down for awhile and think of an intelligent response&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to push back, though, and argue that we can still applies Shingo&#8217;s thinking to managerial work. For example, we can make the process of closing the monthly books or doing performance reviews easier without compromising the integrity/quality of the work itself. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right in saying that &#8220;taking on what&#8217;s hard makes a knowledge worker successful.&#8221; But we need to distinguish between something that&#8217;s intrinsically difficult intellectually (splitting the atom, developing new coaching techniques, designing a new compensation structure), and something that&#8217;s difficult because it&#8217;s embedded in a busted process. </p>
<p>I think Shingo would say that making things easier is about the process, not the conceptual content &#8212; and in that regard, his argument does apply to knowledge workers as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 17:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect to Shingo, I don&#039;t believe these priorities apply in the same way to management and knowledge work. Unlike the laborer, we can choose easier work, easier methods, which can sacrifice quality, cost and delivery. In the physical world there is a stronger correlation between easier labor and better quality, speed and lower cost. This is not so true in the work of management. I find that taking on what is hard is what makes a knowledge worker better, what makes a manager successful. It is the difference between thinking of one&#039;s work as a set of tasks or as a set of responsibilities and outcomes. Once we have found the easiest ways to achieve these outcomes, we are then faced with the choice of coasting as managers and engineers - taking advantage of having made the work easy - or of taking on the hard assignment and facing the next challenge. This is true respect for people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect to Shingo, I don&#8217;t believe these priorities apply in the same way to management and knowledge work. Unlike the laborer, we can choose easier work, easier methods, which can sacrifice quality, cost and delivery. In the physical world there is a stronger correlation between easier labor and better quality, speed and lower cost. This is not so true in the work of management. I find that taking on what is hard is what makes a knowledge worker better, what makes a manager successful. It is the difference between thinking of one&#8217;s work as a set of tasks or as a set of responsibilities and outcomes. Once we have found the easiest ways to achieve these outcomes, we are then faced with the choice of coasting as managers and engineers &#8211; taking advantage of having made the work easy &#8211; or of taking on the hard assignment and facing the next challenge. This is true respect for people.</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avijit -- I&#039;m inclined to agree with you insofar it&#039;s better to start somewhere, even if it&#039;s not the biggest problem or even the root cause. But I do worry that sometimes organizations will lose momentum and enthusiasm, and become discouraged, precisely because they&#039;re ignoring the mura that creates muda. 

David -- I&#039;m going to tape this to my wall: “How can we make these numbers look better?” should be an operational question, not a spreadsheet exercise.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avijit &#8212; I&#8217;m inclined to agree with you insofar it&#8217;s better to start somewhere, even if it&#8217;s not the biggest problem or even the root cause. But I do worry that sometimes organizations will lose momentum and enthusiasm, and become discouraged, precisely because they&#8217;re ignoring the mura that creates muda. </p>
<p>David &#8212; I&#8217;m going to tape this to my wall: “How can we make these numbers look better?” should be an operational question, not a spreadsheet exercise.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David M. Kasprzak</title>
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		<dc:creator>David M. Kasprzak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 07:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

Great stuff.  I&#039;ve blogged about Mura and Muri a bit, too, as I believe they are under-appreciated significantly.  There&#039;s been a bit more about it in the blogosphere over the past year, which I think is a good step.  The Womack article points out how critical they are, yet they are not frequently discussed.

I loved this statement: &quot;One problem with stretch goals, I believe, is that they focus on outcome metrics, and can therefore be gamed.&quot; I have worked with far too many project and program managers who are more concerned with the report at the end of the month than the previous 30 days of execution that lead up to to it.  &quot;How can we make these numbers look better?&quot; should be an operational question, not a spreadsheet exercise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>Great stuff.  I&#8217;ve blogged about Mura and Muri a bit, too, as I believe they are under-appreciated significantly.  There&#8217;s been a bit more about it in the blogosphere over the past year, which I think is a good step.  The Womack article points out how critical they are, yet they are not frequently discussed.</p>
<p>I loved this statement: &#8220;One problem with stretch goals, I believe, is that they focus on outcome metrics, and can therefore be gamed.&#8221; I have worked with far too many project and program managers who are more concerned with the report at the end of the month than the previous 30 days of execution that lead up to to it.  &#8220;How can we make these numbers look better?&#8221; should be an operational question, not a spreadsheet exercise.</p>
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		<title>By: Avijit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avijit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 06:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan - I like the clarity and sequencing of Shingo which you brought up brilliantly. However, from my experience, organisations usually find it relatively easier to start with Muda.... however, If you focus on any M, the other 2 Ms benefit as a side effect. ( Buy 1, get 2 free) .. My advice is to &quot; Do something; start somewhere&quot; ..thanks for  the great article !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan &#8211; I like the clarity and sequencing of Shingo which you brought up brilliantly. However, from my experience, organisations usually find it relatively easier to start with Muda&#8230;. however, If you focus on any M, the other 2 Ms benefit as a side effect. ( Buy 1, get 2 free) .. My advice is to &#8221; Do something; start somewhere&#8221; ..thanks for  the great article !!</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark -- I love your comment that &quot;Respect for People and Continuous Improvement are mutually beneficial. One leads to the other and the other is necessary for the other.&quot; I&#039;m also constantly surprised at how far ahead of the curve Deming was -- pride in one&#039;s work is nearly the same thing that Dan Pink talks about in &quot;Drive.&quot;

Matt -- I don&#039;t fully agree with you. Making a process easier might, in fact, add some waste to it...but with an easier and safer process, people have the ability to figure out *other* ways of taking out waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#8212; I love your comment that &#8220;Respect for People and Continuous Improvement are mutually beneficial. One leads to the other and the other is necessary for the other.&#8221; I&#8217;m also constantly surprised at how far ahead of the curve Deming was &#8212; pride in one&#8217;s work is nearly the same thing that Dan Pink talks about in &#8220;Drive.&#8221;</p>
<p>Matt &#8212; I don&#8217;t fully agree with you. Making a process easier might, in fact, add some waste to it&#8230;but with an easier and safer process, people have the ability to figure out *other* ways of taking out waste.</p>
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