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	<title>Comments on: Delegating with a Kanban</title>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>https://timebackmanagement.com/blog/delegating-with-a-kanban/comment-page-1/#comment-591</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 21:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John - thanks for the lead on Agile Zen software. I&#039;ll check it out.

Tom - I have to disagree with your assessment for several reasons. First, junior associates don&#039;t necessarily have the experience to do the work on their own. They need help understanding how to do the work in an efficient manner. And since lawyers bill by the hour, from the customer&#039;s point of view, it is value added effort for the senior partner to advise the junior associate. It&#039;s similar to a line leader spending time with new front line employees helping them with their job on an assembly line. 

Second, the gemba for the lawyer is the office - when the partner goes to see the associate because the latter is having trouble, then he&#039;s in the gemba where he belongs - not holed up in a fancy office away from the work (even though all the offices are probably fancy!).

Third, the &quot;pretty chart&quot; in this case is simply a visual representation of the workflow that each associate is handling. In that regard it&#039;s a useful tool for understanding how everyone is doing. You could probably make a pretty good argument that all the lawyers on a team should be sitting in a single room working together, but my hunch is that that&#039;s unlikely to happen while you and I are still young....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8211; thanks for the lead on Agile Zen software. I&#8217;ll check it out.</p>
<p>Tom &#8211; I have to disagree with your assessment for several reasons. First, junior associates don&#8217;t necessarily have the experience to do the work on their own. They need help understanding how to do the work in an efficient manner. And since lawyers bill by the hour, from the customer&#8217;s point of view, it is value added effort for the senior partner to advise the junior associate. It&#8217;s similar to a line leader spending time with new front line employees helping them with their job on an assembly line. </p>
<p>Second, the gemba for the lawyer is the office &#8211; when the partner goes to see the associate because the latter is having trouble, then he&#8217;s in the gemba where he belongs &#8211; not holed up in a fancy office away from the work (even though all the offices are probably fancy!).</p>
<p>Third, the &#8220;pretty chart&#8221; in this case is simply a visual representation of the workflow that each associate is handling. In that regard it&#8217;s a useful tool for understanding how everyone is doing. You could probably make a pretty good argument that all the lawyers on a team should be sitting in a single room working together, but my hunch is that that&#8217;s unlikely to happen while you and I are still young&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>https://timebackmanagement.com/blog/delegating-with-a-kanban/comment-page-1/#comment-590</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 09:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the partner should be managing work or activity in the first place - some would term this micro-management. The partner should be managing the &#039;system&#039;. Let the experts (let&#039;s call them employees) manage the activity afterall they are experts in what they do aren&#039;t they? The partner should be at the Gemba &#039;seeing&#039;  the customer demand and understanding it&#039;s form, not sat in a side office looking at pretty charts and concocting strategy or KPIs. The partner has to realise that they work for the employees and his/her role is to understand customer demand and remove obstacles that might prevent great people from doing a great job. Bin the Kanban - Go to the Gemba!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the partner should be managing work or activity in the first place &#8211; some would term this micro-management. The partner should be managing the &#8217;system&#8217;. Let the experts (let&#8217;s call them employees) manage the activity afterall they are experts in what they do aren&#8217;t they? The partner should be at the Gemba &#8217;seeing&#8217;  the customer demand and understanding it&#8217;s form, not sat in a side office looking at pretty charts and concocting strategy or KPIs. The partner has to realise that they work for the employees and his/her role is to understand customer demand and remove obstacles that might prevent great people from doing a great job. Bin the Kanban &#8211; Go to the Gemba!</p>
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		<title>By: John Hunter</title>
		<link>https://timebackmanagement.com/blog/delegating-with-a-kanban/comment-page-1/#comment-589</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 03:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt;Agile Zen&lt;/a&gt; is pretty nice software that might interest people interested in this post.  It is a bit more that what you have here but something that works pretty well for the scope you are talking about or with a few more moving parts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a>Agile Zen</a> is pretty nice software that might interest people interested in this post.  It is a bit more that what you have here but something that works pretty well for the scope you are talking about or with a few more moving parts.</p>
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